You hear the terms ‘cancel culture’ and ‘wokeism’ bandied about these days as if people even understand what they mean. If we’re honest our political divide, now of legendary proportions, results in each side not listening to the other. Yet the terms cancel and woke, derisive in tone, have been appropriated by the right to be the extension of political correctness. The right is trying to suggest that the left is rigid and intolerant and the left is saying that the right continues to evade truths about our history and culture and thus is not awake to the experience of many Americans. Dr. Steven Mintz, a retired ethics professor, and I have less an interview and more a conversation about political speech and who is trying to cancel whom. My hope is that you find it illuminating and thought provoking.