In a society that jails so many, more the average country(as Yogi Bear might have said), you’d think we’d have figured out ways to use prison time more wisely to insure that these same folks don’t return, costing society more to incarcerate them again and victims the pain of re-offending. And, yet, we still struggle with the uncertainty as to which programs really work to do that. There’s a new report, entitled ‘The Effectiveness of Education and Employment Programming for Prisoners’, and its author Grant Duwe, academic adviser to the American Enterprise Institute for Criminal Justice Reform and research director for the Minnesota Department of Corrections, joins us to share its contents. We also discuss the House passed prison reform bill, ‘The First Step Act’. It’s an important issue that requires new thinking. You’ll hear some on today’s podcast.